Because Surya and Sagaris, too bad their gone for now.

Not sure if this is a disgruntled tanker or not, but it sure sounds like one.

It might have to do with Railguns being able to one-shot literally every dropsuit build possible, and HAVs being faster and thus able to dictate battlefields.\

Or something...

I don't have a problem with it *shrugs*

As someone who has used railguns since closed beta started... I don't think forgeguns are more accurate. I can hit a bunny-hopping swarm-spamming scoutsuit 300 meters away just fine in mid-jump, and I even manage to headshot people with it just fine (A whole new definition to "countersniping" snipers).

Using HAVs properly is an artform, and I firmly believe that a single HAV shapes a battlefield much faster then a single forgegunner.

I can roll out of cover, slam two or three rounds into a force, and roll back before anyone realizes. I can prop myself up on a hill and dominate the skies faster then any forgegunner ever could. Simply rolling down the street I can use my HAV as a weapon, kill infantry at full speed and destroy even logi-LAVs without much more then a dent simply by running them over. I can roll down an avenue and force every sniper taking refuge in the rooftops and pipes to move.. Or Die.

The instant a forgegun appears on a kill-feed, every vehicle operator changes their plans from that instant on. The instant an HAV heavy weapon appears on the killfeed, everyone on the battlefield adapts.

A forgegunner can not in the first 120 seconds of gameplay destroy every turret on the battlefield, which is a staggering amount of warpoints by itself. A forgegunner is forced to run with fellow infantry for protection or lurk and prepare ambushes, or a sniping nest.

A forgegunner is forced to rely on weak LAVs for transportation, and will never cause the same level f fear and chaos that an HAV makes simply by rolling around a corner.

Everything is prey to an HAV.

'Soon' is the common response to a thread like this i think?

Yes, I will.

I have literally 100% of my SP since the last forced reset in Vehicle related skills. I make money exclusively off of HAVs, and I call them in every map. I've been playing all day, made millions even after losses and only lost a handful of HAVs, one to a forgegun/swarm combo, one to a LAV gank squad of AV protos, and three to other HAVs.

I'm doing okay.

North America, Skirmish only. It's against my religion to play any other gamemode in a vehicle.

Skirmish is best for HAVs as there are predictable zones of chaos.

EDIT: I should also note that I'm using a Caldari HAV, not Gallente, so I have a significant edge against most forms of AV compared to armor tanks, and I use an ADV Rail so I can keep my EHP optimized.

Because proto AV is the only thing even remotly keeping in check the logi LAV murder taxi's....

I'd like to see them though. Very expensive but incredibly hardy tanks that have current gen Damage out put....cause tanks kill foooties like aint nobody's business, but incredibly good movement and tanking/PGCPU Slot arrangement.

As someone who has used railguns since closed beta started... I don't think forgeguns are more accurate. I can hit a bunny-hopping swarm-spamming scoutsuit 300 meters away just fine in mid-jump, and I even manage to headshot people with it just fine (A whole new definition to "countersniping" snipers).


The instant a forgegun appears on a kill-feed, every vehicle operator changes their plans from that instant on. The instant an HAV heavy weapon appears on the killfeed, everyone on the battlefield adapts.

A forgegunner can not in the first 120 seconds of gameplay destroy every turret on the battlefield, which is a staggering amount of warpoints by itself. A forgegunner is forced to run with fellow infantry for protection or lurk and prepare ambushes, or a sniping nest.

A forgegunner is forced to rely on weak LAVs for transportation, and will never cause the same level f fear and chaos that an HAV makes simply by rolling around a corner.

Everything is prey to an HAV.